Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

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Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

Post by coulomb » Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 19:13

In March 2018, in the South East Electric Highway (NSW/Vic coast) topic:
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Thu, 15 Mar 2018, 12:12
I have proven that it is possible to use Tesla Destination Chargers with my T2>T1 adapter, so if you turn them on, on PlugShare, it looks even better.
My type 2 to type 1 5 metre adapter cable arrived today, and I tested it at a location with both type 2 and Tesla destination EVSEs. I was able to plug into the type 2 connector on the EVSE and charge successfully.

Unusually, these type 2 EVSEs had some type 2 to type 2 cables; usually you have to provide your own (my EV is type one, so it doesn't affect me). However, after the charge was complete using just my cable, I decided to try plugging into their cable (so EVSE type 2 to type 2, then my type 2 to type 1 cable in series). But my type 2 socket (if that's the right word) didn't plug completely into their type 2 plug, and it would not charge. I then tried the Tesla destination charger cable, which has what looks like a type 2 plug, but again it didn't fit. I realised that the cords provided were not actually type 2 to type 2, but type 2 to Tesla. [ Edit: I've since realised that this is not true, see a few posts below. ] The Tesla plugs are about 11 mm shorter in the outer plastic part than my type 2 socket. I've read elsewhere about someone taking to his type 2 socket with a hacksaw to make it "Tesla compatible". Ironically, the plug and socket that didn't connect were both the same brand, Duosida. The numbers on the cables differed only by a single letter; mine has a "b" and the other had an "e". The "IEC2" in the part number suggests standard IEC 62196 Type 2, and the letters may indicate a variation in shroud length. In the below, I forgot to take off the soft rubber cover:

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My questions are:
* Does everyone with a type 2 to type 1 cable have this problem with Tesla destination EVSEs?
* Did I perhaps order the wrong cable, and should have gotten a Tesla to type 1 cable, which might work with all type 2 EVSEs as well? Tesla destination EVSEs are now quite common, so it would be nice to be able to use them if possible.
* @ev.2549, is your cable modified in some way?

I'm a little loath to hack into a $200 cable. I've seen others for up to $300. I got mine from the link below, but note that I deliberately sought out a 16 A cable, since it's lighter and slightly cheaper, and I don't ever expect to own a type 1 EV with an on-board charger rated at more than 15 A (they'll all be type 2, or something that succeeds type 2 perhaps). The same seller has 32 A cords, and many other variations, as well.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3272397 ... 640aX0U63O

[ Edit: loathed -> loath. Thanks to the Grammar Police for that one (aka Weber) :) ]
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Re: Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

Post by jonescg » Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 19:43

Hack it. I think 10 mm was the magic number.
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Re: Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

Post by coulomb » Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 18:06

jonescg wrote:
Mon, 15 Jul 2019, 19:43
Hack it.
But @Jeff Owen tells me that if I do that, there is a chance that some type 2 sockets won't engage fully, and will either be loose or perhaps won't allow charging.

Can someone speak from experience: will a shortened type 2 socket work with the vast majority of type 2 EVSEs?
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Re: Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

Post by coulomb » Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 18:36

Duh. I've finally realised that there's nothing non-standard about Tesla destination EVSEs, except that they provide a cord and you can't use your own. There's also nothing non-standard about the type 2 to type 2 cord I found at Orion shopping centre. It's a deliberate incompatibility to prevent using chains of cords (plugging a cord onto the end of another cord).

It's pretty well explained on this page, SimpleEvseJ1772guideExternal, from which comes this handy diagram:

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Re: Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

Post by g4qber » Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 05:08

https://www.gelcoservices.com.au/gelco_ ... ehicle.htm
I have the GS1025

https://forums.aeva.asn.au/viewtopic.php?t=4834
Works at Alkimos Tesla destination station.
Even works on Tesla locked destination chargers.
Tesla part nos. 02-x, 03-x
Caveat not water proof

http://ozleaf.proboards.com/thread/865/ ... tor?page=2
I chopped a type 221 16 amp cable so that my i3 Rex could charge

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Re: Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

Post by g4qber » Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 05:22

Basic chopped cables probably won’t work with Tesla destis that have part no. 02, 03-x. As Ioniq and Kona drivers have found out so perhaps gelco can make a type 2 to type 2 Tesla anywhere adaptor ?
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Re: Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

Post by coulomb » Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 08:01

g4qber wrote:
Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 05:08
https://www.gelcoservices.com.au/gelco_ ... ehicle.htm
I have the GS1025
Thanks, Joseph. So does the GS1025 or the chopped type 2 to type 1 work in most of the ordinary type 2 EVSEs?

For example, at Bassendean Child Health Centre.

This might be you showing that yes, you can: [ edit: no, it's not, see next post. ]



That would be assuming that the orange cable is your chopped 221 cable.

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Re: Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

Post by g4qber » Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 09:21

Hi coulomb,

Incorrect assumption.
That is normal 32A single phase duosida.

I had blue chilye 16A single phase which I hack sawed.
This was in the ozLEAF forum page.

The gelco adaptor has a professionally done shortened type 2 plug.
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Re: Type 2 to type 1 adapter cables

Post by jonescg » Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 11:59

g4qber wrote:
Thu, 18 Jul 2019, 09:21

The gelco adaptor has a professionally done shortened type 2 plug.
AKA sharp hacksaw :D
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